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    YouTube Woes

    Recently, Viacom sued YouTube over copyrighted content; this included videos, music, and everything in between. What I failed to realize was that Disney was in on this as well.

    Within the last week, I've lost five videos to this lawsuit, all over the music. This included my High School Musical work and my first Shego video. All gone. I'm glad I have them copied to my computer.

    I won't post them again though, not unless things settle.

    This is a warning to all those who make KP videos or any AMVs in general, and use YouTube or Google Video. It seems as though they are seriously cracking down on fan-created videos using anything copyrighted, so be prepared to lose videos or even accounts. I don't know how bad this is for anyone else (I have over 100 videos, so I may simply feeling this the worst because I have so many), but I would like to keep everyone informed in case you start facing a similar sitch.

    I'm in the process of getting a few of my older videos off YouTube with Zamzar, then I'll wait it out. If things get worse, or if I get banned over copyright, I'm offically taking my videos elsewhere.

    Any thoughts on this or similar stories, please post.

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    Good point. I'm airlifting out all my video summaries and copying them into a Word document.

    EDIT: Now done.

    Perhaps the only "irreplacable" part is the annotations in my original "Civil Disobedience" upload. They don't show up when downloaded through Zamazar. I'll have to do those manually.

    I'm in the process of getting a few of my older videos off YouTube with Zamzar, then I'll wait it out.
    Do you mean you don't have them backed up on your HD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireand'chutes77 View Post
    Good point. I'm airlifting out all my video summaries and copying them into a Word document.

    I'm in the process of getting a few of my older videos off YouTube with Zamzar, then I'll wait it out.
    Do you mean you don't have them backed up on your HD?
    Not all of them. I lost a few of the old ones when we reformated the computer. A few of them I plan to remake anyway, but some of them are important and actually decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fireand'chutes77 View Post
    Good point. I'm airlifting out all my video summaries and copying them into a Word document.

    I'm in the process of getting a few of my older videos off YouTube with Zamzar, then I'll wait it out.
    Do you mean you don't have them backed up on your HD?
    Not all of them. I lost a few of the old ones when we reformated the computer. A few of them I plan to remake anyway, but some of them are important and actually decent.
    Sounds to me like now's a good time to back everything up while you still can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fireand'chutes77 View Post
    Good point. I'm airlifting out all my video summaries and copying them into a Word document.

    I'm in the process of getting a few of my older videos off YouTube with Zamzar, then I'll wait it out.
    Do you mean you don't have them backed up on your HD?
    Not all of them. I lost a few of the old ones when we reformated the computer. A few of them I plan to remake anyway, but some of them are important and actually decent.
    Good point. (Now you've reminded me to back up my work!)

    I've gotten the annotations off now.

    As for deleted videos, I haven't caught any KP flack yet. I've got a North America block on my two videos using straight GiTS footage, but they haven't caught wind that "Kim Possible: 5th Gig" is nearly a duplicate of the "2nd Gig" opening sequence. *Knocks wood* That could change, though...
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    Well, I was browsing for information on the lawsuit and seeing if anything new had come up.

    And then I found this...

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9117141

    This might explain the sudden rash of deletions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Well, I was browsing for information on the lawsuit and seeing if anything new had come up.

    And then I found this...

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9117141

    This might explain the sudden rash of deletions.
    Some public advocacy groups had opposed the bill, saying that its penalties were far too harsh and that it didn't balance users' rights and concerns over those of major software, media and pharmaceutical companies.
    Anyone under 40 just uttered a collective "oh ****."

    However, U.S. businesses and their advocates were overwhelmingly in favor of PRO-IP.....

    "This bill truly is music to the ears of all those who care about strengthening American creativity and jobs. At a critical economic juncture, this bipartisan legislation provides enhanced protection for an important asset that helps lead our global competitiveness..."
    Are you kidding me?! Stuff like this is only going to **** people off at you and put a boot to the face of creativity, you corporate b*strds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireand'chutes77 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Well, I was browsing for information on the lawsuit and seeing if anything new had come up.

    And then I found this...

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9117141

    This might explain the sudden rash of deletions.
    Some public advocacy groups had opposed the bill, saying that its penalties were far too harsh and that it didn't balance users' rights and concerns over those of major software, media and pharmaceutical companies.
    Anyone under 40 just uttered a collective "oh ****."

    However, U.S. businesses and their advocates were overwhelmingly in favor of PRO-IP.....

    "This bill truly is music to the ears of all those who care about strengthening American creativity and jobs. At a critical economic juncture, this bipartisan legislation provides enhanced protection for an important asset that helps lead our global competitiveness..."
    Are you kidding me?! Stuff like this is only going to **** people off at you and put a boot to the face of creativity, you corporate b*strds...
    Pretty much what I thought as well. I didn't like Bush to begin with, and this doesn't put him in any higher ranking to me.

    Humorously enough, I agree with John McCain on the whole issue. :P He protested this whole lawsuit and its results.

    He had his campaign videos removed from the site over the exact same thing, simply because there were things like a 10 second, barely audible clip of a Prince song in the background, or a clip of reporter that they didn't pay royalities to. Stupid stuff.

    Do these people realize how much money they must make because their stuff is on YouTube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fireand'chutes77 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Well, I was browsing for information on the lawsuit and seeing if anything new had come up.

    And then I found this...

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9117141

    This might explain the sudden rash of deletions.
    Some public advocacy groups had opposed the bill, saying that its penalties were far too harsh and that it didn't balance users' rights and concerns over those of major software, media and pharmaceutical companies.
    Anyone under 40 just uttered a collective "oh ****."

    However, U.S. businesses and their advocates were overwhelmingly in favor of PRO-IP.....

    "This bill truly is music to the ears of all those who care about strengthening American creativity and jobs. At a critical economic juncture, this bipartisan legislation provides enhanced protection for an important asset that helps lead our global competitiveness..."
    Are you kidding me?! Stuff like this is only going to **** people off at you and put a boot to the face of creativity, you corporate b*strds...
    Pretty much what I thought as well. I didn't like Bush to begin with, and this doesn't put him in any higher ranking to me.

    Humorously enough, I agree with John McCain on the whole issue. :P He protested this whole lawsuit and its results.

    He had his campaign videos removed from the site over the exact same thing, simply because there were things like a 10 second, barely audible clip of a Prince song in the background, or a clip of reporter that they didn't pay royalities to. Stupid stuff.

    Do these people realize how much money they must make because their stuff is on YouTube?
    IIRC, there was a similar controversy back in the mid- to late 70's over people recording their favorite record albums onto audio tapes (cassettes, mostly). The record companies thought that would cause them to lose money to folks selling pirated copies of their albums, and it'd eat into sales of those albums on tape. What they failed to realize was that most folks who tape-recorded their records (like me!) were only doing it for their own personal use; and we were doing it in the first place because those early prerecorded album cassettes were of such poor quality - cheap, flimsy tape in shoddy cassettes whose halves were pressed together with no screws to keep them from falling apart. Such tapes wore out, fell apart, or just broke while playing.
    So we bought high-quality blanks from companies like Maxell, Scotch, Sony, or Memorex and transferred the albums onto those.
    Fortunately, common sense prevailed, and the record companies abandoned any attempts at legal action against us home-recorders. They also got wise and started using better-quality cassettes when producing taped versions of their albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twila Starla View Post
    Do these people realize how much money they must make because their stuff is on YouTube?
    Well, the way they look at it, they would make even more if you had paid them a royalty for creating your video in the first place. Plus, they don't believe for one second that your posting a vdieo with their music or visual content makes them any money by increasing exposure. As far as they're concerned, other people then simply download your video, again denying them any royalties. Make a regular practice of it, pretty soon nobody is paying anything to them. That's what they fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by TransWarpDrive View Post
    IIRC, there was a similar controversy back in the mid- to late 70's over people recording their favorite record albums onto audio tapes (cassettes, mostly). The record companies thought that would cause them to lose money to folks selling pirated copies of their albums, and it'd eat into sales of those albums on tape. What they failed to realize was that most folks who tape-recorded their records (like me!) were only doing it for their own personal use; and we were doing it in the first place because those early prerecorded album cassettes were of such poor quality - cheap, flimsy tape in shoddy cassettes whose halves were pressed together with no screws to keep them from falling apart. Such tapes wore out, fell apart, or just broke while playing.
    So we bought high-quality blanks from companies like Maxell, Scotch, Sony, or Memorex and transferred the albums onto those.
    Fortunately, common sense prevailed, and the record companies abandoned any attempts at legal action against us home-recorders. They also got wise and started using better-quality cassettes when producing taped versions of their albums.
    But this illustrates a fundamental difference between our generation and Twila's. While we did indeed do this sort of piracy, we had no way to effectively spread it around. Thus the piracy power was very limited. Okay, we might make a tape of two and give them to our friends. That's it. In 1973, the record companies saw they didn't lose near the kind of money they feared as a result. So they dropped it

    But today, with the internet, one "pirate" has the power to put something out there that could be downloaded by millions, with only a click of a mouse. The potential losses of revenue in lost sales suddenly became humongous, and very threatening to the recording companies and the artists. This is a completely different situation. But the younger generation have grown up with the internet as a part of their lives, where you TWD, and I have not. We have a more acute sense of how hard it was to get recordings in our youth, and therefore it's easier for us to understand how it's something you don't take for granted. But not for Twila's generation. Getting any kind of music off the internet any time they wanted it was pretty much a given. It's almost an inalienable right to them now. As a former touring musician, I can certainly understand the position of the recording comapnies and the artists. At the same time, I don't think that in the end they will be able to stop it, despite bills like the recent one President Bush signed, or the lawsuits that were filed. If it's accessible, people will find a way to spread it around.
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