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    Question A Kim Possible Reboot?

    This topic was a big issue (it seemed) a while back, and I think it still mertis discussion.

    Last November, Muzzlehatch cited Bob Schooley as saying on Twitter that if KP were to be revived, it would mostly likely be as a reboot. (I've tried to look up the exact tweet, but I have no intention of trying to slog through Bob's Twitter account again to find it.)

    Normally, studios decide to reboot a franchise when it appears the current incarnation was exhausted itself - either the creative and financial energies of the franchise's universe have been worn out, or it has gone to such extremes the franchise has "jumped the shark." The Star Trek franchise could be considered as an example of the former - the critical and financial flop of "Star Trek: Nemesis" and the lackluster ratings of "Enterprise" lead Paramount to conclude there was no futher fruit to be had in ST's primary timeline and thus the shift to Abrams and a new timeline - whereas the James Bond movies seem to exemplify the latter - 007's final film in the "original" universe "Die Another Day" (which, as one writer noted, had "an invisible spymobile which raced through a palace made of ice being melted by a spacebourn death ray operated by a Fu Manchu disguised as an Englishman") required more suspension of disbelief than MGM thought acceptable, hence their decision to reboot the franchise with the grittier, more realistic "Casino Royale." The Batman movie franchise could be seen as an example of both reasons to reboot - the garish campiness was too much for critics and (it seems) executives alike to stomach, and audiences as well, as the movie bombed at the box office.

    (I know there are some people here who are none too happy with the way Abrams took the Trek universe, but that is not the topic of this thread.)

    There's also the issue of content. I personally wouldn't mind a KP universe free of Mystical Monkey Power (or any other type of pagan supernaturalism, for that matter), Attitudinators (and the metaphysical implications that come with it), Kim bouncing around at the speed of light, and other such things. Also, as jeriddian pointed out, there are a good number of contradictions in many little details in the show. A fresh start would allow for more consistency in things such as the exact (or even general) location of Middleton, the floorplan of the Possible house, and make nitpicky continuity hounds like me happy. The original show's tendency to treat James' space center as a generic science lab could also be replaced by a more specific, realistic focus on aerospace and spaceflight matters.

    Another argument - the strongest one, in my opinion, and one I think Schooley implied in his tweet -regards time. It has been roughly five years, after all, since Kim Possible aired a new episode. As TransWarpDrive pointed out recently, Joss, Wade and the tweebs should already be twenty-one or so by now, meaning a Joss Possible spinoff faces the same basic problem of a KP season 5 - the main hero is no longer in the K-12 environment that kids can relate to. (Or at least Disney executives probably think. Also, it'll be a few years before Hana could be old enough for a decent spinoff show of her own.) The rapid pace of pop culture and technology also factor in here - the longer between Kim Possible's original showing and the hypothetical revival, the more anachronistic the original will look. (The references to "Friends" and "That 70's Show" in "Dimension Twist," for example, already look dated.)

    But does that mean KP should be rebooted? For one thing, I'm not sure that the current KP universe has exhausted itself to that point. To be fair, the massive alien invasion in "Graduation" does seem to indicate that the world could not plausibly continue with "business as usual" after said finale, but I don't think the show's universe has denigrated "past the point of no return." Yes, the show did sometimes go too low to make Ron a laughingstock, but I don't think any dramatic shift would be necessary to make or keep him a decent character. Likewise, while there are several episodes and scenes that stretch or even break the bounds of plausiblity ("The Cupid Effect," "Nursery Crimes," and the whole "Nacos in space" scene from "Car Alarm," to name a few), the KP 'verse stays intact if they are excised (or even just de facto treated as discontinuity) and the various inconsistencies in the Possible household, Middleton's location et al could just be treated as "broad strokes by any KP continuation.

    Time also proves to be a double-edges sword, for while it may be too late to do a continuation of Kim Possible featuring the main characters, it also might be too early to reboot the whole thing. (Such criticisms were also made about Sony's recent reboot of the Spider-Man movie franchise.) Casual fans of Kim Possible might be confuse the new show with the old, which would reflect badly on the former. "I saw the movie where Kim and Ron got together. So why are they now just awkwardly semi-flirting with each other. This is a new episode!"

    There's also the criticism that a rebooted series would lack the "spirit" and "flavor" of the old, and thus would ruin Kim Possible forever. This argument does have merit, though I have read a number of fanfics where the Kim Possible and others were dropped into another universe and still stayed in character (MrDrP's excellent KP/Star Trek:TNG fusion comes to mind), so the rebooted KP might be true to the old, especially if the new crew were fans of KP, or included members of the old KP staff. That being said, if the KP reboot had the same basic format as the original (Kim's in high school, lives in Middleton, and saves the world with her best friend Ron), watching the reboot might cause some kind of "uncanny valley" uneasiness for me (and maybe other viewers as well) that does not come when I read an AU or fusion fanfic.

    Well, I've written a novel or two already. What do you think. Do you think Kim is ready to join Batman, Spider-man, and other characters who can transcend different continuities and universes? Or do you think rebooting KP is a bad idea?

    (At the very least, if KP was rebooted, we've at least got her cheer squad's new uniforms. )

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    One approach that might work could be to focus on Kim's parents and Nana through a series of flashbacks, say as told to Kim and Ron, in present time, kind of like the museum episode. Nana is pretty well stated to have lived an adventurous life and we know very little about the parents, so there's lots of potential there. The flashback/reminisence approach would help maintain continuity with the characters in present time. A new stable of villains would have to be developed (not the Star Wars rip-offs someone once tried to espouse here) but that could also be a source of interest.
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    A reboot is entirely possible, I admit, however I also think it is too soon for that to happen, for exactly the reasons Double 'N' mentioned. Nonetheless, it is an attractive option in restarting the show that must be considered.

    That being said, though, I do not see that as the optimal way of getting KP back into action. I also think, as Double 'N' also mentioned, that there is more to be said for KP in her present state of affairs. The question becomes how should it be approached in terms of for which audience should it be made. That determines the tenor of the entire show.

    If you wish to recapture a new K-12 market (It's been eleven years now since KP's introduction, so we have an entirely new generation to introduce to our favorite cheerleader.), something on the nature of the reboot probably is the best solution, then you simply have to tailor the series to the present generation, making sure the jargon and pop references are up to date. But would it fly? I think that Disney would consider trying to do this counterproductive as the older series would actually 'get in the way' of the newer one. There would be comparisons which could be detrimental. Someone would have to seriously do some test marketing on the new concept to check it out, which would take a commitment to do it in the first place - not likely.

    Another option would take KP completely out of this children's entertainment area, and this option I personally favor, which is to continue after high school into college and beyond. Develop the characters. Have them grow up. Make the shows more young teen/adult oriented yet still appeal to the younger kids. This would require a greater degree of commitment to quality of animation and story however, again not likely to gain a commitment from anybody at Disney. So what would be the way to do that? I believe that the most likely and financially possible way is to go with the full length feature film. Films require less commitment and money thanb a television series. You're looking at 90-120 minutes rather than 11˝ hours worth of television material. If the box office is good, then another could be made, and if it contrinues to be strong, then a new television series could be viable. (After all, Star Trek did it that way.)

    It is also why I tailored my fanfics the way I have done them. A movie based on my main fanfic (updated for season four of course - it won't be that hard.) could set the tone for the extended universe of KP, and therefore the setting for the series would have it's baseline information. As Lunchmeat has noted, a focus on Kim's parents and her Nana is also good ideas (and my fanfic also delves into this too, especially with Nana).

    But it doesn't matter if it is my story or not. Going the route of the full length feature film, possibly leading to a series still seems the most viable option.
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    I definitely agree; the KP 'verse has far from exhausted itself. I mean, just the aftermath of Graduation and the ramifications of finding out we aren't alone in the galaxy by way of assault walkers and plasma cannons is basically a global 9/11 asking how well our space program is doing. Heck, it's the perfect catalyst for the KP 'verse to turn from "modern with a few oddities of high tech" to an outright post-modern society with advanced tech spilling out of the sidewalk as everyone scrambles to get to the tech level needed to deal with alien threats. Mad Scientists get their stuff taken to make that stuff, etc. etc.

    That said, a reboot has a lot of advantages; though I'd comment on a few things:

    -> MMP isn't that bad. Mind, my headcanon goes that it's just a focused variant of generic magic as a side effect of the Jade Idols and that Ron's little display at Graduation was a one-off deal that if he tried to do again at that level of power would have a good chance at killing him. If you reboot, you can keep MMP and just make its overall power level not so redicoulous and that it more opens up a new route for Ron to use than outright making him insanely powerful.

    -> I agree, stuff like the Attitudinator implies some bad things about metaphysics of the setting, though simply explaining it as enhancing 'negative' emotions in strength via neural muckery would work as long as it's clear it isn't a full out 'better evil'. Say, instead of turning Ron into Zorpox, it just makes him one hundred times more aggressive/manipulating/rude/etc. Or maybe say it completely shuts down the frontal lobe for a while, removing most inhibitions in order to allow 'evil to flow' or whatever.

    -> An overall justification for why we see fantastic tech suddenly loss would be great too; IE, the Centurion Project requires a really rare material that isn't common (some sort of Vibranium-Adamantium alloy? ), plasma shields aren't used by the military because they eat up too much energy, Kim's battle suit is saved for major missions because it poisons the user if overused/it's an energy hog, etc.

    Then you have reboot options. You can reboot it with the same basic premise and go along with intent on a solid canon from the get-go rather than continuity by accident. You could reboot it in a different genre; say, a little more sci-fi than science fantasy or maybe even make it outright sci-fi and change the timeline a little on the characters. Overall, a reboot offers great options if done right and a chance to sit back, lay down some ground rules for magic/super technology/superpowers in the setting and then doing it in a way that it makes sense.

    Honestly, I do think that a reboot would work for the main KP 'verse, but you can still do stuff in the 'verse as well that isn't KP centered. Do a spin-off series telling the early days of Team Go when they were heroes and use it as a chance to lampoon the entire superhero genre. Tell a story of Global Justice and give them a chance to prove that they're not just a cheap SHIELD knockoff and that they actually can fight villains. There's a lot of options in the KP 'verse available, the question becomes "what's your target audience" and "what do you want to do".

    I personally think a spin-off might be better than an outright reboot at this point, but as time goes on a reboot might work as well. I know I'd use a reboot as a chance to keep a better continuity and as a chance to lay down some ground rules on technology, magic, and whatever else they include. Even if its just basic "magic users can't overdo" and their general power level without overdoing it is that of a lower level Biotic from Mass Effect.

    So yeah, some thoughts of mine on the subject. I know I have a lot of ideas on continuing the KP 'verse, though I would say that it would not be for the target audience if only because I overall go for a more serious tone.

    And lunchmeat; what were these 'star wars rip-offs' someone tried to espouse? I'm kind of curious...

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    It would take forever to find, but several years ago we briefly had a member who wanted to introduce new villains that were pretty much straight lifts from the latest 3 Star Wars prequels (I gave up on keeping track of Lucas' numbering system a long time ago). He presented them in the fashion of RPG character sheets with strengths (e.g. double weilding, four arms, etc.), weaknesses (can't remember these but it ran to things like "kryptonite") and the Lucas style use of slightly obscure or technical words as names, such as Darth Endoscope, General Tedious or Ocean Moon of Chalcedony. One villain was even the red and black guy with the thimbals stuck to his head, complete with double ended light saber and extra arms, with a different name. He got upset and left after the membership introduced their own villains (mine had the power of explosive flatulance and whose weakness was isolation from gas station burritos) and suggestion that really original villains might be the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchmeat View Post
    It would take forever to find, but several years ago we briefly had a member who wanted to introduce new villains that were pretty much straight lifts from the latest 3 Star Wars prequels (I gave up on keeping track of Lucas' numbering system a long time ago). He presented them in the fashion of RPG character sheets with strengths (e.g. double weilding, four arms, etc.), weaknesses (can't remember these but it ran to things like "kryptonite") and the Lucas style use of slightly obscure or technical words as names, such as Darth Endoscope, General Tedious or Ocean Moon of Chalcedony. One villain was even the red and black guy with the thimbals stuck to his head, complete with double ended light saber and extra arms, with a different name. He got upset and left after the membership introduced their own villains (mine had the power of explosive flatulance and whose weakness was isolation from gas station burritos) and suggestion that really original villains might be the way to go.
    That... that's just terrible.

    I mean, it's one thing for a brief one-shot villain who's not even a proper villain, just a hired red shirt for a one scene wonder to be fairly rippy. After all, you can't always use the same characters and sometimes you need a one-shot guy who doesn't have much for anything. Do it right and the brief shot is a nice homage to another 'verse and fair enough...

    ... but ripping villains like that? What? I mean, I tend to have insperations for my characters, but if they're more than just a short appearance as a one-off punching bag I try to make them a little more original that that. I mean, making a Maul expy as a one-off brute villain is fine... but the thimbles-on-his-head? What? Are you trying to make it obvious? Disgusting...

    Mind, a villain with explosive flattulance would fit right in with the KP setting...

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    Kim Possible reboot? Oh please, I like the way characters are drawn (it is confirmed that "The Powerpuff girls" will get a reboot with the new animation style, so I fear that same could happen with KP), and besides, what would KP's motto be in the re-booted series instead of "I can do anything" ? Yolo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Danger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lunchmeat View Post
    It would take forever to find, but several years ago we briefly had a member who wanted to introduce new villains that were pretty much straight lifts from the latest 3 Star Wars prequels (I gave up on keeping track of Lucas' numbering system a long time ago). He presented them in the fashion of RPG character sheets with strengths (e.g. double weilding, four arms, etc.), weaknesses (can't remember these but it ran to things like "kryptonite") and the Lucas style use of slightly obscure or technical words as names, such as Darth Endoscope, General Tedious or Ocean Moon of Chalcedony. One villain was even the red and black guy with the thimbals stuck to his head, complete with double ended light saber and extra arms, with a different name. He got upset and left after the membership introduced their own villains (mine had the power of explosive flatulance and whose weakness was isolation from gas station burritos) and suggestion that really original villains might be the way to go.
    That... that's just terrible.

    I mean, it's one thing for a brief one-shot villain who's not even a proper villain, just a hired red shirt for a one scene wonder to be fairly rippy. After all, you can't always use the same characters and sometimes you need a one-shot guy who doesn't have much for anything. Do it right and the brief shot is a nice homage to another 'verse and fair enough...

    ... but ripping villains like that? What? I mean, I tend to have insperations for my characters, but if they're more than just a short appearance as a one-off punching bag I try to make them a little more original that that. I mean, making a Maul expy as a one-off brute villain is fine... but the thimbles-on-his-head? What? Are you trying to make it obvious? Disgusting...

    Mind, a villain with explosive flattulance would fit right in with the KP setting...
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    Put me down as another who would not like having the animation style change in any sort of "reboot". That was one of the primary reasons I was attracted to the show. The style still reminds me of the 1950s Warner Bros. cartoons.

    One thing to consider is that the traditional TV type series is going to soon be a thing of the past. Without the constraint of having to fill a 1/2 time slot and leave enough time for commercials and such, shows can and will take on variable lengths. In one regard, what happened with Futurama could be a guide-- the producers did 4 "movies" each of which were really 4 episodes. Since then, it seems that the "season" consists of only 13 or 12 episodes. Doing short "mini-series" of 3-6 episodes or back-to-back movies (same thing) might work.

    Reboots are nothing new. Just to show my age, when I was in my early teens, my friends and I discovered the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Tom Swift Jr. series of books. We were fortunate in that our local libraries were willing to stock them (many considered them too "juvenile") and were also able to order and collect them. We also discovered that there were more than one version of many of them. It seems that the originals were written in the 20s/30s. They were then rewritten, with the same titles and characters and sometimes with the same plots in the 1950s. Other times the plots were completely changes when they couldn't be moved to a late 50s context. But as "fans" we enjoyed finding both versions, and we were smart enough to get the 20s/30s references.

    I'd like to see that done with KP. Start with a consistent "back story" and timeline and "canon"/"bible" and redo the episodes. Clean up inconsistencies and plot holes, and maybe add some foreshadowing and insert some more episodes where needed.

    A post Graduation spin off of Team Go might be entertaining-- as part of the amnesty, Shego has to rejoin and manage them, while Kim, tired of all the attention (the bit about the cover of "Humans" points to this) tries to retire and just go to school and be with Ron. But the incompetence of Team Go (along with a reformed Drakken) keeps sucking Kim back in to help/save them. Would be some great spoofing opportunities like the Fearless Ferret episode.

    Another thing to consider is that it might be nice to have issued "graphic novels". The first year of KP there were "Cinemanga" books issues, 7 in all with 2 episodes each. Mostly consisted of screen-caps with dialog balloons and some condensation of dialog. Something like that, but expanded and maybe with new plots and episodes. Think multi-media, too.

    One dream, should I ever hit a lottery jackpot, would be to blow a few of those millions would be to buy the rights to do more KP, even if it's just the comics. I'd love to take some of the good fan fiction and ideas in them and put some artwork behind them. For one thing, it wouldn't have to be profit driven and meet the corporate bottom line. And I also know that I've got a better chance of winning that lottery than I do of the Disney-Entertainment Complex ever selling the rights to anything they own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithers View Post
    And I also know that I've got a better chance of winning that lottery than I do of the Disney-Entertainment Complex ever selling the rights to anything they own.
    They never have, and they never will, but it is a nice dream.
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